Tuesday, January 3, 2012
007 out of yeshiva
So this is it...I finally left yeshiva. In a striking departure from my past tendencies, I left due to scheduling conflicts and not because of an epic fight with the rosh yeshiva. I'm in the process of writing an extended post, should be up later this week. I still think I'm gonna keep the name though.
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Good for you! Now go get an education
ReplyDeleteI was already in school before i dropped yeshiva. ...at least read my blog description...
ReplyDeleteHey!
ReplyDeleteBeen there. I know you are not asking for advice, but I will throw it out there anyways :).
1) One thing you might notice is how much time you know have on your hands. It can be overwhelming. Find ways to organize yourself.
2) You may have lost a social community (and maybe even close friends). This may lead to feeling lost.
3) If you go to a regular school, remember: what you have learned your whole life is most likely nonsense. For example, during my first two years, I was horrified that a Goy would try and attack me. Seems irrational right? But, when you have been conditioned, things can be quite difficult.
Anyways, best of luck!
I still really would like to know - how do you know you won't burn in hell forever?
ReplyDeleteJP. Lets say he picks this religion and turns out to be wrong. Being that there are thousands of religions,and an incredible number of possibilities for "what G-D is", you can never know which one is true.
ReplyDeleteSay he picks Judaism and he was wrong, and the "real G-D" has a policy to send to hell all those who did not follow what they found to be true. Being that G-D is so complex, this is not unlikely.
Well, let's say you're diagnosed with cancer. Dozens of different people may tell you "Use my treatment or you'll die."
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/treatment
Would you just do nothing?
By the same token, dozens of religions claim "Join us or you'll go to hell!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups
Why are you just doing nothing?
JP
ReplyDeleteIf we became an Asheira-worshipper, would that make you happy? How about a Catholic? Protestant? Islamist?
Regarding your analogy to cancer: yes, if there hundreds of treatments, and none of the proven, I would opt to doing nothing.
JP, to echo what Eli said, cancer treatments (at least the commonly used ones) undergo a substantial amount of research. If it came to using homeopathic medicine or alternative medicine in general (and there were thousands of options), I would do nothing.
ReplyDeleteThere is another difference. You might not lose much from trying out a placebo treatment. However, with religion, someone who does not believe will live a hard life. In addition, religion takes over every part of your life.
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ReplyDeleteRegarding cancer, you would choose the therapy which makes the most sense and do it, so regarding religion, you would choose the one which makes the most sense.
ReplyDeletehttp://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2006/12/truth-of-judaism.html
So again. 007, why aren't you afraid of going to hell forever?
if you dont become a moerman you will burn in hell forever.
ReplyDeleteksil
Was the book of Mormon revealed in front of millions of witnesses? I think not.
ReplyDeleteoh, the torah tells you the torah was given to 2 million people? no circular reference there! lol
ReplyDeletethe aztecs had a mass revelation. its true. if you dont follow their stupid rules you will go to hell! LOL i love this stuff
ksil
see my story: http://secretdiaryrabbi.blogspot.com/
ReplyDeleteThe Jews unanimously testified to their revelation. There is as much proof of the Sinai revelation as there is of anything else in ancient history.
ReplyDeletehttp://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2009/07/is-history-bunk.html
"the aztecs had a mass revelation"
Not really. LOL.
"see my story: http://secretdiaryrabbi.blogspot.com/ "
I wrote about this years ago.
http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2008/07/jewish-skeptics-and-sex.html
"The Jews unanimously testified to their revelation"
ReplyDeletePlease address the cirular refrence
Ksil
There's nothing "circular" here.
ReplyDeleteLet's say someone robs a bank. Ten witnesses saw it. All testify in court that John Doe robbed the bank. The defense cannot argue "These ten witnesses claim John Doe robbed the bank. And who is confirming that they are really telling the truth? The ten witnesses themselves! Ignore this testimony. It's circular!"
There is no rational argument like that. Some idiot atheist blogger made that up.
here is a better example
ReplyDeletethere is a book that claims some bearded man in the sky that created everything, wrote this book. (the thing that created the entire vast universe actually wrote a book, a book! funny, no?) so how do you know this book is divine? well, the book says so itself!! there is your "PROOF"
thats more circular than a perfect circle
ksil
No, your example would be analogous to a book which is of unknown authorship which we found on the street somewhere. Obviously it would have little credibility. The Jewish tradition is analogous to thousands of witnesses testifying to an event, like the inauguration of President Obama for example.
ReplyDeletethousands of witnesses saw someone "write" a book?
ReplyDeleteno. now you are simply lying...par for the course
ksil
What validates your birth certificate. Your birth certificate! So that's circular reasoning - a perfect circle!
ReplyDeleteFor the record as I've said to you before JP...I'd rather be in hell than spend eternity in heaven with your lot...it's really a lose-lose either way
ReplyDeleteRemember how Christopher Hitchens was always smirking and joking about his poor lifestyle habits?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/10/hitchens200710
however once he's diagnosed with cancer notice how the smirk is gone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTnJ3L3g0n0
All atheists think everything is a big joke until it's not.